12/14/2022 0 Comments Maria butina![]() ![]() She was getting access to Americans who she thought were close to power in America. And so-but that's not what she was doing here. John Demers: Her lawyer is right, that she didn't get, as far as we know, classified information. In other words, she was completely open and there was no espionage. John Demers, the assistant attorney general for national security, whose office helped prosecute Butina, says what she did wasn't social networking and wasn't on her own initiative. Lesley Stahl: Have you ever had a case like this? Maria Butina: If I were not Russian, that would be called social networking. policy, and you were doing it slowly but deliberately. government says that you were making connections with Republicans so that you could influence U.S. Lesley Stahl: You traveled across the United States, attending NRA meetings. When a young person takes his or her destiny in his own hands and fights. How can one judge me and say what, I was too smart for my age? I think that is what is praised in America. Maria Butina: But this is exactly the same. Lesley Stahl: No, no, no, I'm saying you're a young person. Lesley Stahl: That wasn't a sexist question. Because there were times when people didn't believe that women are capable to be leaders at all. Maria Butina: That's a great question to ask here in America. And I'm having trouble knowing how a young person is able to pull this off. You were holding conferences, or at least one big conference where you brought the NRA people from the United States over to Moscow. ![]() Lesley Stahl: You got to the point where you were staging rallies. ![]()
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